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		<title>By: Does “Relevance” Matter When Building Links?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does “Relevance” Matter When Building Links?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Does “Relevance” Matter When Building Links? &#124; SEO Tips Mashup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing Badger - Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing Badger - Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With some of my sites I&#039;ve had a very loose backlinking &quot;plan&quot; - getting links from a huge variety of non keyword-related sites. The sites have done very well and some of them outperform competing sites with a similar number of backlinks, but who are getting links from keyword related sites only.

Some of my favorite places to grab high page rank links from include gossip blogs, humor blogs, pet sites, news sites, and others which have a do follow policy (not all do, but many of them do....I even got a do follow link from About.com a while back, which I&#039;d been told was impossible.) Another good place is hobby sites - sites where visitors have a passionate interest in an author, hobby, genre, etc.  Most of them are generous with do follow and some have very high page rank.

Based on my own experiences, I do think that these backlinks are fine and they don&#039;t &quot;bleed&quot; relevancy for your site at all.

Think of it this way.....we know that Google is always saying that they are looking for things to be as organic seeming as possible. Isn&#039;t it far more organic that people across a wide range of sites on different topics might link back to you?  Instead of it ONLY being from keyword related sites?  People often casually share links to sites they like, and humans don&#039;t naturally cluster all the time at sites that are oriented around one group of keywords. We hang out all over the place!  :) I know my daily routine (she says with a red face) involves checking out my favorite cat humor sites, and there are plenty of people out there like me!

So I think the whole SEO tradition of only seeking backlinks from highly relevant sites might be getting outdated - if it was ever true at all.  I certainly haven&#039;t seen sites lose traction in Google when I&#039;ve gathered non-relevant backlinks; if anything, these sites are actually pretty bullet proof.

With this latest page rank update especially I&#039;ve noticed that sites with more &quot;organic&quot; seeming backlinks (from all kinds of sites) are faring much better than sites where I&#039;ve only built highly relevant backlinks. Page rank remained the same or better on the sites with more non-relevant links, while page rank dropped on sites with narrowly focused backlinks.

So that&#039;s interesting! I suppose time will tell.

Jennifer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With some of my sites I&#8217;ve had a very loose backlinking &#8220;plan&#8221; &#8211; getting links from a huge variety of non keyword-related sites. The sites have done very well and some of them outperform competing sites with a similar number of backlinks, but who are getting links from keyword related sites only.</p>
<p>Some of my favorite places to grab high page rank links from include gossip blogs, humor blogs, pet sites, news sites, and others which have a do follow policy (not all do, but many of them do&#8230;.I even got a do follow link from About.com a while back, which I&#8217;d been told was impossible.) Another good place is hobby sites &#8211; sites where visitors have a passionate interest in an author, hobby, genre, etc.  Most of them are generous with do follow and some have very high page rank.</p>
<p>Based on my own experiences, I do think that these backlinks are fine and they don&#8217;t &#8220;bleed&#8221; relevancy for your site at all.</p>
<p>Think of it this way&#8230;..we know that Google is always saying that they are looking for things to be as organic seeming as possible. Isn&#8217;t it far more organic that people across a wide range of sites on different topics might link back to you?  Instead of it ONLY being from keyword related sites?  People often casually share links to sites they like, and humans don&#8217;t naturally cluster all the time at sites that are oriented around one group of keywords. We hang out all over the place!  <img src='http://andrewhansen.name/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know my daily routine (she says with a red face) involves checking out my favorite cat humor sites, and there are plenty of people out there like me!</p>
<p>So I think the whole SEO tradition of only seeking backlinks from highly relevant sites might be getting outdated &#8211; if it was ever true at all.  I certainly haven&#8217;t seen sites lose traction in Google when I&#8217;ve gathered non-relevant backlinks; if anything, these sites are actually pretty bullet proof.</p>
<p>With this latest page rank update especially I&#8217;ve noticed that sites with more &#8220;organic&#8221; seeming backlinks (from all kinds of sites) are faring much better than sites where I&#8217;ve only built highly relevant backlinks. Page rank remained the same or better on the sites with more non-relevant links, while page rank dropped on sites with narrowly focused backlinks.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s interesting! I suppose time will tell.</p>
<p>Jennifer</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3Way Links both did and still does work right now but - and here&#039;s where I disagree with Jonathan Leger&#039;s assertions - it most definitely DOES leave a footprint and I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if Google was starting to downgrade sites in the network.

As far as off-theme site links still being good for ranking are concerned - absolutely, no question about it, as I&#039;ve proved many times over. In fact, back last year when I was testing trackbacks, I was amazed how many trackbacks from porn infested sites helped rankings.

LSI? - forget it for links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3Way Links both did and still does work right now but &#8211; and here&#8217;s where I disagree with Jonathan Leger&#8217;s assertions &#8211; it most definitely DOES leave a footprint and I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if Google was starting to downgrade sites in the network.</p>
<p>As far as off-theme site links still being good for ranking are concerned &#8211; absolutely, no question about it, as I&#8217;ve proved many times over. In fact, back last year when I was testing trackbacks, I was amazed how many trackbacks from porn infested sites helped rankings.</p>
<p>LSI? &#8211; forget it for links.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J James</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Andrew.

It&#039;s easier to get 20-30 pr2 links than it is to get 2-3 pr6-7 links - I think it&#039;s a matter of weight.

I think 20 pr2 =  1 pr6    -  Something to that effect.

I know a lot of successful marketers who live by the saying   &quot; A rising tide sinks all ships&quot;.

I have a couple of methods that work fine for me that I&#039;d never share for health nor wealth, but I&#039;m confident in saying lots of average links is as good as a measly few decent ones.

Food for thought.

Cheers A.J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Andrew.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easier to get 20-30 pr2 links than it is to get 2-3 pr6-7 links &#8211; I think it&#8217;s a matter of weight.</p>
<p>I think 20 pr2 =  1 pr6    &#8211;  Something to that effect.</p>
<p>I know a lot of successful marketers who live by the saying   &#8221; A rising tide sinks all ships&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have a couple of methods that work fine for me that I&#8217;d never share for health nor wealth, but I&#8217;m confident in saying lots of average links is as good as a measly few decent ones.</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
<p>Cheers A.J</p>
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		<title>By: kyle marvel</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about joining that service. It did seem to easy. I am glad I found  www.bigbloggingbusiness.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about joining that service. It did seem to easy. I am glad I found  <a href="http://www.bigbloggingbusiness.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigbloggingbusiness.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyn, you can crosslink 10- 20 sites.  That&#039;s because most business do that.  
The danger comes from making somebody mad
at you and they find all your sites. It happens.  I kicked out a hacker who broke in and he got mad and pounded my site with hits so it couldn&#039;t run for a couple weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyn, you can crosslink 10- 20 sites.  That&#8217;s because most business do that.<br />
The danger comes from making somebody mad<br />
at you and they find all your sites. It happens.  I kicked out a hacker who broke in and he got mad and pounded my site with hits so it couldn&#8217;t run for a couple weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your seeing two sides to the same coin.  Yes, &quot;relevant&quot; links are critical to GOOGLE&#039;s system of valuing links.  But that takes time.  About 3 months.  Does &quot;3 months&quot; ring a bell?  So sure, anybody who relies exclusively on unrelated links will eventually get creamed during an update.  Some of my 20 sites will too.  It all depends on if the irrelevant links of mine are better than my competition.  The only problem I&#039;ve had is with JL&#039;s Sharapost system.  It will build 100&#039;s of valid Google crawled links in an instant.  I&#039;m glad I wasn&#039;t making money with that site at the time.  The big Google Ray gun vaporized it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your seeing two sides to the same coin.  Yes, &#8220;relevant&#8221; links are critical to GOOGLE&#8217;s system of valuing links.  But that takes time.  About 3 months.  Does &#8220;3 months&#8221; ring a bell?  So sure, anybody who relies exclusively on unrelated links will eventually get creamed during an update.  Some of my 20 sites will too.  It all depends on if the irrelevant links of mine are better than my competition.  The only problem I&#8217;ve had is with JL&#8217;s Sharapost system.  It will build 100&#8217;s of valid Google crawled links in an instant.  I&#8217;m glad I wasn&#8217;t making money with that site at the time.  The big Google Ray gun vaporized it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr LSI,  I just wish I had a PR5 site to do that with!!!
But I have some that are PR2, I suppose that might be worth trying.  I&#039;ve never linked my sites, nearly all of which are at hostgator and all at the same IP.
What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr LSI,  I just wish I had a PR5 site to do that with!!!<br />
But I have some that are PR2, I suppose that might be worth trying.  I&#8217;ve never linked my sites, nearly all of which are at hostgator and all at the same IP.<br />
What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Benkovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Benkovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

I&#039;ve never been one to hunt out relevant links too strictly. Ill take any one ways I can get my hands on.

However, if I ever have the choice Ill of course choose the relevant site over the non relevant one. My thinking is that even if relevancy isn&#039;t that important now, in the future it will be. The algorithms will get more advanced and be able to better detect this sort of thing.

My advice is to take any link you can, but keep in the back of your mind that a relevant link will be more beneficial, if not now down the track. If youre in it for the long haul Id say thats the best approach.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been one to hunt out relevant links too strictly. Ill take any one ways I can get my hands on.</p>
<p>However, if I ever have the choice Ill of course choose the relevant site over the non relevant one. My thinking is that even if relevancy isn&#8217;t that important now, in the future it will be. The algorithms will get more advanced and be able to better detect this sort of thing.</p>
<p>My advice is to take any link you can, but keep in the back of your mind that a relevant link will be more beneficial, if not now down the track. If youre in it for the long haul Id say thats the best approach.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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